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Making Roads A More Tolerant Place
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Monday, 15 August 2011
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This group is for anyone who is interested in finding ways that we can make the relationships we have on the road with our fellow road user safer and more respectful. Would welcome any stories, feedback and ideas that you have for ways to make our roads better for all of us!

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I once had a driver pull in front of me in the bike lane and slam on his brakes. He then sped up then slowed down then went to make a hard right then hit his brakes. It was tring realy hard to get me to crash into him.
Last replied by Dean Blanchard on Thursday, 19 January 2012
paul smart
Wouldn't worry too much about that lancer driver, sounds like just a random hoon :-) . Best way I found was ridding with a couple of other riders or a group. Had est part is finding a group that is about the same level as you. I had none in my area so I started with a couple of riders from work then formed our own Bicycle user group (BUG). And gathered about a dozen riders as slow as I am :-)
Have a look around your area for any groups in your area, or start your own :-)
After you ride with other for awhile the confidence will build up and you'll be up and running in no time.
As for riding on the road or dirt, if it a road bike I'm on the road if I'm on the mountain bike it either dirt or road. Check the road rules in your state but in most cases unless there in a dedicated bike lane or a official sign declaring no bicycles you are allowed to ride on the road. Now of course you must take you own safety into consideration when riding on a road.
Good luck and ride safe :-)
523 days ago
 
Michael Christopher Daeche
I'm only new to all this cycling on road stuff. Personally, unless there is a full service lane, I get freaked out. I was riding with my mountain bike along a dirt service lane and some guy in a Mitsubishi lancer holds his horn and skids past me. Is this me being told I am a useless cyclist? Or is this just some random hoon?

Personally considering my mental disability I have difficulty in riding confidently knowing what intentions the vehicle drivers may have and such. I also feel guilty in many situations worrying about what is legal or not and also considering the risk involved in riding on certain areas of the road or footpath.

For instance, when riding on a road with a road bike where it is either road, or a dirt service lane, do you ride on the road? Even when cars behind you have no means of overtaking? Is it just a matter of riding faster? Who, if anyone, is at fault?

Also does anyone know of any courses I can do to perhaps boost my confidence in cycling on the road? I'm just about to get my Giant Defy 2 and I wouldn't mind using it to replace my parents' Taxi service.
523 days ago
 
Jayne Burgess
After becoming a cyclist it's amazing how much more visible people on bikes are when you're driving.
KenzoKenzo on Wednesday, 31 August 2011 18:41

I wonder how many will look at your new bike and feel the need to buy one for themselves?

626 days ago
 
Nat Power
Not sure about what rules I would change but I agree that cyclists need to drive and drivers need to ride. It's the only way to have respect for both options. I really hate the way that some drivers speed up to turn left and get in front of a bike going straight, can't drivers be a little more patient. I also think on 4 lane roads that one lane should be for cyclists! CRAZY hey?
626 days ago
 
Nicholas Dawes
Another bad news story this morning - accident with a cyclist being hit by a truck. It's crazy to think how vulnerable bike riders are on the road - without knowing the particulars of the accident, it's pretty clear what's at stake for cyclists regardless. Still working away to get this online questionnaire up and running - it's slow going but it's going to be worth it.
Forest LakeForest Lake on Monday, 29 August 2011 13:10

hey Nicholas ! have you had a look at Survey Monkey ? www.surveymonkey.com

Nicholas DawesNicholas Dawes on Monday, 29 August 2011 15:28

Hey Forest - thanks heaps for that. I've seen this before, and will see if I can work this into my plans. The key to getting it up and running will be to ensure the design of the survey is A1. That's what's keeping me busy as we speak!

628 days ago
 
John G Jenkins
Talking about road design. I have found that in most cases in Perth (Don't know if it happens in other cities) That when approaching a T-Junction, with the intersecting road coming in from the left, the cycle lane is narrowed to nothing by the curb and then continues after the intersection again. This is actually very dangerous for the cyclist as it pushes you into the lane with the traffic. I don't know who's stupid idea that is.
632 days ago
 
Jayne Burgess
When I graduated to riding on real roads (for the first couple of weeks I had my bike I rode around my estate trying to get used to it) I was made to read the following article...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_cycling
632 days ago
 
Jayne Burgess
I think one of the biggest factors is both driver and cyclist education... A campaign of informing both groups of the ACTUAL laws and responsibilities would go a long way to help.

It's perfectly legal to ride 2 abreast (as long as you're not more than 1.5 metres away from each other) but most drivers (and some cyclists) don't realise this is actually the case and from a visibility point is often much safer.
paul smartpaul smart on Thursday, 25 August 2011 12:10

Yes riding 2 abreast is legal but like everything there is a time and place. Riding 2 abreast effectively blocking a lane in the middle of peak hour does not do the cause of cycling any good at all. All that does is P off a bunch or motorist who only see cyclist as stopping them from getting where they want/need to be. Sharing the road goes both ways :-) And yes i agree you are more visible riding out from the curb and yes there is safety in numbers, But we need to stop being our own worst enemy and realize that just because the law says we can do something you need to take in your surroundings into effect first. The law says i am allowed to walk across a Zebra crossing, but i think I'll wait until that 10 tonne truck stops first before i step out :-)

Jayne BurgessJayne Burgess on Friday, 26 August 2011 12:29

I'm coming from both sides - I ride recreationally on some fairly major roads and I drive 80+km's every day to get to work - my point was much of the angst between riders and cyclists is a clear lack on understanding of what the laws actually are.

Very few people aim to hit and injure cyclists, but some of the things I've seen around the Melbourne CBD make me wonder where some cyclists left their brain when they got up in the morning.

I will protect myself first, in the same way I actually watch for traffic when I cross at the Zebra crossing - but by the same token I don't think I've ever seen a driver get irate that someone dares use the zebra crossing in front of them because they understand that it is a legal right for a pedestrian to have right of way over one.

There needs to be more understanding from both sides - but before this can happy some work needs to be done on making people aware of the laws that relate to both cyclists AND drivers and why cyclists will choose to do something that actually keeps them safe (like not riding in the curb).

paul smartpaul smart on Monday, 29 August 2011 15:11

I absolutely agree with you and re-reading my reply above i didn't mean it so sound as arrogant,( for want of a better word) as it reads. I've just heard that "we are allowed to ride 2 abreast" argument quoted so many times it just gets on my nerves now.
Which was the point with the Zebra crossing, Just because the law says i have the right of way, and yes as motorist we all know pedestrians have the right of way, I'm still not going to exercise that right unless it's safe to do so.
Which is the same with the 2 abreast, yes it's legal but time and place and only if you can do it safely.

"Very few people aim to hit and injure cyclists, but some of the things I've seen around the Melbourne CBD make me wonder where some cyclists left their brain when they got up in the morning. "

Yep same here in Brissie, and unfortunately i have had a run-in with a few of these %$#%$^&g idiots that have gone out of there way to hurt cyclist over the years, amazing how brave they are throwing stuff out the windows while they are in the steel box traveling at 60 kph, and how quiet they get when you catch them at the next set of lights. :-)
Like you i have seen this from both sides as a commuter cyclist and i worked as a courier driver for a couple of years so i have seen both the idiot cyclist and motorists on our roads.
I agree, Education and understanding is the way forward. Motorist need to understand what we can and can't do on the roads, and Cyclist need to understand what we can and can't do and to use some common sense when on the roads.
Again though, and i know i harp on about it but, this needs to be on both sides, and there is some cyclists about (present company excluded of course, as well as all the real riders here on this site :-) ) that are just too stubborn or thick headed to realize that they are very vulnerable out there.They are betting that skin and bone will survive taking on steel and plastic which is traveling at 60+ KPH, I can tell you from experience it hurts, and i was in the right and not riding in the curb :-)
I know after being hit by a car the comment from the driver was she didn't think i was traveling as fast as i was and so she thought she had more time to pull out.(I was coming down a hill which i usually do 60kph+ down but on that day i was only doing 40)
Any way Safe riding to you all, and unless someone discovers how to power cars with water, petrol will be too expensive to use soon and so people will have to travel by bike:-) then maybe they will understand what we feel when we are riding.
Perhaps we should make it a new rule for drivers before you can be issued a license you also have to pass a cycling test.

632 days ago
 
Greg Holmes
Another interesting facet, particularly around where I live in nsw an hour north of Sydney, is the people who design the roads seem to have no idea about riding culture. They're building shared cycleways / paths beside new double lane roads that are about 2 and a half metres wide. Great for the recreational cyclist and families, but when I'm grinding out training rides sitting on an average of around 30 -35 km/hr, it's more dangerous for me to be on them than the road. As well as the pedestrian traffic and kid situation, their paths deviate around intersections and make me stop senselessly at places where I don't want to. Hence I'm riding on the edge of a lane battling with cars when all they had to do was sacrifice half a metre of that cycleway and mark a bicycle lane on the edge of the road. From what i've observed, far more people are riding on the road than the cycleway because they want to train at a decent speed. Does consultation with deisgners and cycling bodies happen? It doesn't seem to. When I'm riding I can sense the criticism of drivers who think I should be on the cycleway because it is provided, but they are not aware of the issues. I haven't even mentioned the broken glass and stuff that the idiots seem to be obsessed with creating. I ride frustrated!
633 days ago
 
Nicholas Dawes
my report is coming along nicely. some key recommendations: 'make the driver-rider conflict a conversation that EVERYONE can participate in', 'educate', 'don't blame'... we'll see how we go :)
633 days ago